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PostSubject: A Forum is many things..   Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:43 pm

Hello Everyone,

joshuaearlwade wrote:
this is an airsoft forum... a place to socialize with other airsofters-----this is not college,school,or some kind of accredited institution. i dont see any reason to ask where someone got something or to tell them that they shouldn't post it. Question

Idea Im not saying i have a problem with you Idea but this is probably the most useful post ted has made on the forum....and he gets corrected for it. like he broke the rules and the online police pulled him over. Neutral Neutral


Quite the contrary, Josh. While this is a place to socialize, it also a place where people can seriously
study their fieldcraft. I wasn't correcting Ted himself since he did not author the post by his own admission.
Since it is a TACTICS thread, it is therefore not a social thread.

In fact, I was glad to see Ted post something that we all talk about. I was guiding him to excel in his online
research with accepted research criteria. You are incorrect however, in assuming that no one here can
engage in serious study and discussion of tactical fieldcraft and therefore ask for the sources of posted information.
If you remember, it was unsubstantiated posts were a sore subject on the other forum and led to several flame wars.

I am encouraging Ted to post relevant and timely information, as he just did, but with some encouragement
as to check sources and review authors. It wasn't a scolding nor an internet traffic stop. It was simply
advice given to a young man to point him in the right direction. From his reply, he handled the suggestion with
class, which is another positive sign. I will continue to support him or anyone else who wishes to delve
into the study and discussion of fieldcraft.

Perhaps it was you who were mistaken as to my intent. I hope to encourage Ted to be a diligent researcher.
We already have enough of those who post without regard to substance or relevance. You can see the Admin's
recent comments on that issue, of which I wholly support. Like you, though, I have no problem with anyone
on this forum, having many friends here. I offer help where I can and learn from others what I do not know.
Even those who teach are life-long students.

Now, back to the Tactical Thread that began.

Respectfully,
Mike W.
Auburn, AL

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PostSubject: Re: CQB Tactic's   Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:06 pm

sorry i was mistaken about your intentions.

Could someone please add breaching techniques to this thread seeing as a lot of cqb combat requires going in residential areas.
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PostSubject: Re: CQB Tactic's   Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:07 pm

Josh,

In my experience, most forms of breaching (for which there are many) are not only non relevant to airsoft, but dangerous as well.

That said, I will write up some airsoft-acceptable techniques that we use in our bail enforcement business. Look for them in a future issue of the magazine.

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PostSubject: Re: CQB Tactic's   Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:26 pm

well i have begun adding doors on my field in mccalla. and the field in arab has a whole house with doors,windows, ect.. of course i do not mean explosive breaching.
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PostSubject: Re: CQB Tactic's   Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:17 pm

Explosive or not, most breaching techniques are too destructive to be used in airsoft. You'd have to replace the doors after each event.

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PostSubject: Breaching vs. Entry   Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:05 am

Hello Everyone,

Josh, to be clear on exactly what you are intending here, when you
say breaching, do you mean:

A: Entry into an interior room via an open doorway

or

B: Entry into an interior starting with a closed door?

or

C: Your idea that isn't covered by A or B?

The reason that I ask is that if you consult the Army Field Manual
entitled FM 3-06.11 COMBINED ARMS OPERATIONS IN URBAN TERRAIN

Chapter 3 Section 14 defines breaching as:
Locked doors can be breached (forced open) using one of the four breaching methods:
mechanical, ballistic, explosive, or thermal (see Chapter 8 ). If none of these methods
are available, soldiers can resort to kicking the door open. This method is the least
preferred since it is difficult and tiring to the soldier. It rarely works the first time, and
gives any enemy soldiers in the room ample warning and time to shoot through the door.
Once the door is breached, a grenade should precede the soldier's entry. Chapter 3
Section 20 ( 3-20 ) goes into breaching methodologies.


Entry, on the other hand, does not involved the physical forcing open of a closed or
locked entry or doorway.

Chapter 3 SECTION II entitled ENTRY TECHNIQUES and Chapter 3 SECTION III
entitled CLEARING addresses the ten fundamentals of precision room clearing actions
soldiers take while moving along confined corridors to the room to be cleared, while
preparing to enter the room, during room entry and target engagement, and after contact.

While not the only source of information or Entry or Breaching, it is one of the most
widely practiced. You can find the entire manual here:

FM 3-06.11 COMBINED ARMS OPERATIONS IN URBAN TERRAIN


As a reliable primary and authenticated source, I would recommend it for your reading list
and you can then adapt what is useful to you and any other team in Airsoft.

Enjoy.

Respectfully,
Mike W.
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PostSubject: Re: CQB Tactic's   Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:45 am

what i meant was the way to properly enter and clear a building. when i said breaching i believe i used the wrong word. proper entry and clearing of buildings.
i do understand that most methods of breaching would be destructive and therefore not used in airsoft but they would be nice to know.

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