But that would be the easy thing to do, Comrade. God forbid they leave well enough alone, instead they have to take apart someone's ideas and find out how to classify them as "Stupid and useless." I say if you want to learn how to snipe properly in airsoft, by all means, go check out the class. I can't say how effective or what use those little cards/licenses will be, seeing as they have no real value on the field and most field owners don't normally pre-screen snipers to see if they can properly handle their guns, but hey, the training alone would be worth it. But it's your idea and you can formulate it any way you want to. That's the beauty of it. Good luck.

I'm usually not much of one to explain my machinations in detail.
For now let me recap the points you keep blatantly missing:

1. This school would be part of a larger initiative which involves uniting field owners, educating the players on how their damn gun behaves, and allowing the use of longer range rifles in competitive airsoft to further "enhance" the feel of snipers.

2. As FPS increases in a gun, the effective range of the gun (closest part of range being the point at which the energy the BB carries will not pierce skin, the farthest point being where the BB has lost so much momentum it can't carry enough energy to be a noticed "hit") is moved farther away from the shooter. As range increases, determining distances CAN BECOME MORE DIFFICULT. Thus, the higher FPS a rifle, the longer distances must be determined to determine a MED. Longer distances can require specific training, since most players can't walk into a field and pick out an object at 280 feet from a group of targets ranged at 10ft intervals from 250 to 350.

3. This class is IRRELEVANT, REPEAT: IRRELEVANT if the field owner's insurance won't allow rifles of that power on the field. So in those cases DISREGARD THIS IN IT'S ENTIRETY. STOP BRINGING IT UP. PERIOD.

4. (I'll explain this ONE MORE TIME.) Those licensed to wield these rifles would be "vouched" to have the capability to safely operate their rifle, and that the operator has an informed knowledge of BB physics, and can explain why an 800 fps rifle is still usable in airsoft, when that number alone would scare most people off instantly.

I'm not explaining this again. I hope you understand now. Otherwise, get out of my thread. Quietly.

*sigh*

The criticisms stopped some time ago, so don't bring it up again. The idea here, is good, and like every other idea, it has its strong points as well as weak.

let us know when the first lawsuit comes along...

what happens when out of the brush someone runs in front of these 800 fps guns??

ive seen this happen with aegs at normal fps limit and the results looked pretty bad...like when mongo stepped out within 5 feet of psyco's aeg....bloody face
i know a sniper rifle is single shot ...but the small chance that this could happen wouldn't be worth it to me. i will not play at a field that allows these high limits.

I still like the idea of a sniping class though.

Jacob is planning on getting a 500 fps would he have to attend this

500 is fine..thats usually as high as is allowed....bolt action 100 foot med

who still wants to have a airsoft sniper training day? do yall have anything lined up for this yet? it would still be great to learn the trajectory ,velocity,wind effect and all that stuff. who knows maybe one day insurance will allow higher standards with some form of control. until then i will use field accepted guns.

Who gave you your license to give licenses? Also what is your qualifications in physics?

i didn't say i was giving liscenses.I just asked who wanted to have a sniper day. we could go over the basics of sniping using army manuals. those that are good with math could help us detemine trajectories ,fps,max range,ect. basically jus an all around sniper discussion day. there are no liscenses and unless insurance changes its rules later on we will still be using sub 550 fps guns.

the idea of the training was good the belief that insurance companies or judges in court would pay any attention to the liscenses was bad.

I still think it would be cool to have an airsoft physics/sniper day. just for training,practice, and intellectual discussion.

Sounds like fun. I'd like to use my ghillie suit again. It's been a while.

we could split the players up into groups of 2 . during their turn they would be given a target and all the rest of the players would assumme regular patrol duty. if the sniper gets killed he comes back to the group and another team goes out and we could do this till everyone got a chance then have a discussion of how to do it better. also if anyone has useful information of airsoft physics we could go over all that stuff during and right after lunch. then after lunch everyone could pull out any of their airsoft weapons and we could play some pickup games.

i think this would be a good gameday idea. maybe in april or may we could do this. i wouldn't mind hosting it at the mccalla field. of course we will be abiding by typical airsoft rules 550 fps bolt action. dmrs are also welcome. if you dont have a sniper rifle and still want to come that is fine but remember that the day is for sniper training and u must not try to turn it into a full throttle airsoft game.

hellfire. do u have any info on airsoft physics yet?

Do any of you get the military channel on tv? If so, they air a program titled "Sniper School". It follows class 0204 through the Army's sniper school from their arrival date to graduation. It gives really good insight into the training conducted at sniper school, though I'm pretty sure they didn't disclose every facet of training. However, it gives you a general idea. I noticed someone mentioned putting a sniper in the field and sending out patrols. During the stalking phase of training, the students begin their stalk from x # of meters away while trying to remain undetected. The instructors are spotters trying to detect any movement that will give the sniper away. The sniper/student must move in for the shot, take the shot, identify a letter and take another shot, all without being detcected. The instuctors then send in a walker in which they direct trying to locate the sniper. They also touch on some of the different missions a sniper may conduct along with some tactics in urban environments. I have it saved on dvr but no way to transfer it to a viewable source. If you are looking for something that teaches the art of being a sniper(range estimation which would be covered in the Army's manual, target detection, camoflage, and stalking) without all of that other mumbo jumbo BS, then it might be worth taking a look at. I've been on here long enough to know you guys know how an airsoft rifle works(much less your own) and how a bb moves through the air. I know you guys know the different characteristics between a heavier bb and a lighter bb and how one operates versus the other. Most importantly, you guys are all responsible, have common sense, and know how to handle and treat a weapon whether it be real steel or airsoft. Josh, you hit the nail on the haed with the idea of using the Army's sniper training manual to conduct your training. I think that sounds pretty much like the direction you guys were or are wanting to head in. I don't know if he will get mad at me for mentioning this, but Major Scott(Alpha 3), attended the Army's sniper school. Pick his brain. He may even be able to lend some assistance or point you all in the right direction.

exactly....there will be differences in the airsoft version of sniping because the sniper will have to get much closer than a real life sniper. so we would need to change some of the stuff around. we may also have to combine a few distracting players with the sniper so that they can get in close enough to accomplish what they need to. many times the snipers get the short end of the stick because most airsoft games start out ofn the offensive. mil-sim ops would allow better use of snipers because of the way some of those games are set up. also in mil-sim ops would it be possible to have a no calling out rule unless in a heavy firefight. say your walking around and a sniper gets you. the rest of the team gets alerted when u call out. im not sure how much sound a real sniper rifle produces or if the targets can hear it. and i also know that sometimes the victims of snipers may make noise. i believe usually the environment that the sniper goes into is on watch but not on alert.